The following interview, entitled 'Ron Fawcett: A brief interview with the superstar of British Rock' first appeared sometime in the mid 70's in the Geoff Birtles edited Crags magazine. Unfortunately, Crags didn't bother with such minor details as dates or-in this instance,authorship- so all I can tell you is that it appeared in issue three and I'm guessing the interviewer was Geoff Birtles himself?
Ron Fawcett is a 21-year-old student teacher—six foot two, eyes of blue and rapidly being recognised as the most outstanding British rock-climber since Joe Brown. Born and bred at Embsay in Yorkshire, a few minutes' walk away from the gritstone of Crookrise, he began climbing in the good tradition of finding his own way to the crag at the age of fifteen. By the time he was 16 his name was becoming known, and as teenage flash-in-the pans go, he has been busy dazzling others for the last five years.His climbing partner, Chris Gibb, says that Ron's likings are sex, women and Pernod. Doesn't drink beer, likes apple crumble with custard and loves girlie mags. Likes heavy rock music, doesn't change his socks and is as tight as—very thrifty. Hardly ever eats and is the second ugliest climber in the U.K.; also hates people talking when he is climbing, and is an erotic sun-worshipper. You might well wonder what all the fuss is about—but if you know anything at all about difficult climbs, his record speaks for itself. He can put into one month what it takes most ten years to achieve, and manages it all with amazing grace.
How long did it take before you started leading extremes?
After about a month of climbing at VS, HVS standard, I went on to the harder routes at Malham, which are good HVS and XS by Lakeland and Wales standards, After about four or five months I was leading things in the Lakes like The Ghost, Triermain Eliminate and so on.
This was at the age of 15?
This was at the age of 15?
You had no tuition, then?
You had no tuition, then?
No, no, I just climbed with a group of friends.
Were there any early influences?
Well, I met Al Evans early on. He was climbing in the Lakes a lot at that time and he directed me on to the hard climbs of the day.
When did you first start doing new routes?
The first decent one would have been Mulatto Wall at Malham when I was 17.
So what have you been messing about at for the last four years?
Well, in that time I met and climbed with Pete Livesey. I came across him just climbing around Yorkshire when he was doing climbs like Face Route, Rebel and Jenny Wren. So I began climbing with him and did routes in the Lakes with him like Cruel Sister and Risus on Pavey Ark, both second ascents. He was obviously by far the most outstanding climber in Yorkshire. He and John Sheard were doing all the hard routes.
What did you learn from Livesey, who didn't come good until his late twenties?
Obviously Pete set out to make a name for himself, and in the first year he climbed hard, he did it. Hie trained on walls—Bradford, Roth-. well, Leeds. And where he worked then, at Scunthorpe, they 'had a climbing wall and he trained on this regularly, systematically using. weights, carrying weights, traverses. I think that was the first time this was ever done to such an extent. The techniques he developed indoors he then applied to the crag.
So you learned the importance of training.
Right. He had been a top class runner and had applied the principles of his athletic training to climbing.
When you were 15 you were a very skinny youth. Now you have got one or two muscles which don't come from nowhere. Are you using a training programme?
I saw Livesey improve his technique through training.
You are avoiding the question. Just how do you train?
In winter I climb on gym walls and try to vary the visits as it can get 'boring. But it gets to be a big social event. It is really good in some ways; better than going on the crag in winter. You don't get cold, you can have a brew in the cafe. Also, I go running in the winter.
I just need to warm up and get my blood circulating. Any athlete warms up first—why not for climbing?
I feel certain that some of the best climbers around are exercising like mad behind locked doors. So come on, cough up and let us know what you do. Press-ups. How many?
One or two.
This is like robbing the Crown Jewels!
Well, 200 straight off before I get tired. But then again, top gymnasts could probably go on to 1,000.
Do you think training is essential today to climb at a competitive, standard?
'I think it must be. It is getting now that people do a lot of boulder problems, repetition climbing, just for training.
Are we a long way behind athletes for fitness?
Yes, I certainly think we must be.
Will training seriously push standards forward? Might we see a grade 7 before you are thirty?
Yes, even five years ago people would have thought a route like Cave Route at Gordale would have been impossible free. Now it's gone, and there are routes comparable in Derbyshire. So there you are proof.
Stamina seems to be the factor common to the best climbers of today. Is this the kind of strength you are seeking?
Yes, take Livesey again. He's very fit overall. The fitter you are, the safer you are going to feel and keep overall control, mentally as well. So you know you can climb down or push yourself further. If you are unfit you lose control, start shaking and lose your mental grip.
Moving on to equipment, we now have such sophisticated protection as to make falling off an acceptable strategy, whereas 20 years ago this was in most cases out of the question. How does this influence your standard?
Some days I go on the crag knowing 'I will probably fall off and I don't care. It is part of the game to me.
Does the equipment and the attitude it produces allow you to climb to your limit?
Well, it sounds a stupid attitude really.
I think it's good.
The word is that you have to be pretty ugly to climb good.
Obviously! Livesey is the ugliest climber in Britain and would do Madame Tussaud's a treat. The uglier you are the better you climb.
What about all these high minded ethics that are flying about?
I think a lot of it is a load of rubbish: purely because the people who preach it don't practice it. Just who doesn't yo-yo? If you have to lower down off a runner to rest—just who does take all their runners out 'before trying again. You tell me. But I do feel that if a route goes free then I either climb it that way or go down.
Well what about, say, Great Wall on Cloggy, which is one of the best climbs in Britain, and within the scope of many with, say, one or two aid points? How do you justify depriving all these climbers of their pleasure?
Personally I would do it only free. But for others, if they want to use aid—use it. It's not doing me any harm. Cenotaph Corner is a better example.
How do you use the modern equipment to its best advantage
This is a personal thing. I always wear EB footwear and if not in shorts I wear 'Helly-Hansen polar trousers and jacket, which is warm,hard wearing and allows total flexibility. I also use a harness and rack my wires on my right, smallest first,getting bigger to the back. I carry my chalk bag in the middle and my hexentrics and slings on my left, same again, smallest first.If the climb is hard I might carry one wire on eack krab. You get it off to a fine art. which is necessary on a steep climb. the main thing is your system works.
Which Climbers do you rate?
Apart from my dad, Jerry Peel Ive seen climb a lot. He's very cool.
Jerry is a classic example of a power climber.
Yes, but he's very good on technical stuff as well. You would have to see him to see how good he is. And there's Tom Proctor as well. On his home ground he's very good — very strong. John Allen has always impressed me, and of course Livesey. I think he is the best rock-climber in the world. Definitely!
Results. Look at the top 20 routes in this country and he has either put them up or done them.
What is all this about erotic pebbles in the chalk bag?
A necessity. You must 'have pebbles—two big round ones.
What about chalk? As you well know there is much criticism about its use. Do you feel you have made an inferior ascent of a climb when you use chalk on a climb done previously without?
No, not really. As long as I did if free I'd be happy. I buy it by the kilo.
What about the environmental problem? Fair enough on limestone, it is not visible from a distance, but on gritstone it is a real eyesore. How do you settle your conscience on this issue?
I admit it is unsightly but makes the climb easier, which is what it's all about.
So for you chalk is a selfish thing?
Yes, perhaps it is. It's one of thos things. We all use artificial aids EBs, ropes, runners. Fair enough they don't leave a mark, but they a degrade the climbing to some extent.
Do you think chalk is here to stay? Or will it go out of style as with pegs?
I think it is here to stay. Chalk makes free climbing easier.
So how do we solve the environmental problem?
Maybe coloured chalk.
Where have you climbed outside Britain?
Yosemite, Saussois, the Vercors and the Berchtesgader.
Where for you is the rock climber's Utopia?
Yosemite, without any doubt.
What did you do over there?
Mainly the shorter, harder routes, and the Nose on El Cap in 18 hours climbing time
Who is the kingpin over there?
Who is the kingpin over there?
Hard to say really. I wasn't there it in the main seasons and consequently only met a small group. But of those I saw I should think John Long, Dale 'Bard, Ron Cork these were really outstanding. I did the Nose with Long.
How does, say, Long rate with British climbers?
I should think over here he would rank with the best.
Why have you not climbed in the Alps yet?
Quite simply, I don't like the cold. That's the main reason.
Is it true that you are an erotic sun-worshipper?
Definitely, love it.
Do you enjoy competitive climbing?
Yes, who doesn't, whatever his standard ?
What about organised competition climbing?
I don't know. This Russian business seems a -bit far-fetched, speed climbing and all that. A lot of it seems away from the point of our way of climbing. We are already forging ahead at top-level free climbing and leading, whereas the Russians are top-roping.
Do you think we would have the high standards of to-day if it wasn't for our own style of impromptu competition?
No! Take Derbyshire as an example. 'For a few years a handful of you local lads had it virtually to themselves. Today there is a strong team getting to Derbyshire all the time and things have hotted up. Routes are getting harder and no doubt this is due to the competition.
Are we going to see a breakthrough to 6b soon?
It's not so much a sudden jump as a gradual progression really. But I feel it is not far away.
So here you are, a 21-year-old star, and you've never been a plumber or a margarine salesman—amazing. Do you really bath in rubber gloves to keep your hands from going soft?
You can't publish that.
It's all right, the tape's switched off.
Crags 4: Apparently Chris Bonington's head appeared,top centre, just as Geoff Birtles was taking the shot.However,GB refused to have CB in the picture and tippexed it out. Ahh...the good old days before photo editing suites!
First published in Crags 3 (Date Unknown?)